Tuesday, February 12, 2008

The Unelectable Clinton

I still submit that Hillary Clinton is unelectable in the general election. The GOP will have none of it, and the mainstream media, talk radio and the Sunday morning talk shows will continue to pillory her just as they did John Kerry, and we'll have another eight Republican years to contend with, mark my words. However, two noteworthy op-eds appeared in the Times this week that gave me pause, so I felt compelled to share. Ponder and enjoy.

Nicholas D. Kristof When Women Rule
The article begins declaring women victorious over men in the all-time rulers' hall of fame:
"[T]he world does have several thousand years’ worth of experience with female leaders....Their historical record puts men’s to shame. Scholars find that women, compared with men, tend to excel in consensus-building and certain other skills useful in leadership."

But it goes on to distinguish the autocrats from the democrats:
"In monarchies, women who rose to the top dealt mostly with a narrow elite, so they could prove themselves and get on with governing. But in democracies in the television age, female leaders also have to navigate public prejudices — and these make democratic politics far more challenging for a woman than for a man.

In one common experiment, the “Goldberg paradigm,” people are asked to evaluate a particular article or speech, supposedly by a man. Others are asked to evaluate the identical presentation, but from a woman. Typically, in countries all over the world, the very same words are rated higher coming from a man."

I actually don't believe that it's a problem for a woman to be elected, but I think it has to be the right woman. And I don't think that Hillary would be a bad president, I just don't think she can get there with the baggage she's carrying.

Paul Krugman Hate Springs Eternal
Krugman talks about vitriol in politics and the need to be cautious in how candidates are treated in this stage, given the ultimate goal of getting the party's candidate elected.

"What’s particularly saddening is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of “Clinton rules” — the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.

For now, Clinton rules are working in Mr. Obama’s favor. But his supporters should not take comfort in that fact.

For one thing, Mrs. Clinton may yet be the nominee — and if Obama supporters care about anything beyond hero worship, they should want to see her win in November.

For another, if history is any guide, if Mr. Obama wins the nomination, he will quickly find himself being subjected to Clinton rules. Democrats always do."

4 comments:

Jan Pentz said...

Tyler, sweetie, I think you are dead wrong for all the reasons in this very timely essay by Robin Morgan, co-founder of the Women's Media Center, titled "Goodbye to all that ...#2" and can be found here at www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html

Please read.

Hillary is absolutely electable. Women, who are a majority of the voters, just need to vote for her. It's as simple as that.

Do not fall for the Pundit Spin that the Republicans would rather have Hillary because nothing fires up the Republican base more than the idea of a Clinton candidacy.

Remember, nothing fires up Democrats like a fired up Republican base, and there are more of us Democrats.

The Republicans want Obama to be the Democratic candidate. They will then turn on the machine and "Swift Boat" Obama over his ties to Renko. If you don't know what Imp talking about, Google him.

As an American woman of the Boomer generation, I never thought I would have the opportunity to vote for a woman candidate as thoroughly vetted as Hillary Clinton is. There is not one aspect of her life that has not been subjected to a 'special prosecutor'.

If Hillary is the nominee the Republicans will have to debate the issues.

If Obama is the candidate his errors in judgment will become the focus of Talk Radio, Fox News, MSNBC, etc. And, the Republicans will win.

Please read Robin Morgan's essay, she says it much better than I can. But, I do agree with her closing statement. "I am not voting for Hillary Clinton because she is a woman. I am voting for her because I am."

Janko said...

Another good book is "Difficult Reputations" by Gary Allen Fine . . . it reviews how the media and popular perception feeds the public identities of individuals.

Some vote for Obama cause he is fresh and idea-driven whereas Hillary is a boomer and a liability. Some vote for Hillary because she is tested woman whereas Obama is naive.

But how much of our electoral choices are built on identity to self and not the policies the cadidate espouse?

One reason I will never vote for McCain is that when you elect a president, you get that person's whole team, one person does not run the whole government, but brings an infrastructure with them. Team "R" in its current incarnation needs to be destroyed.

In that same perspective, is it better to vote for "Obama and the team he brings and appoints" or "Hillary and the team she brings and appoints". It's not just "Obama" and "Hillary".

Tyler said...

Sounds like Obama does have a Rezko headache "this big" and needs to find a smart way to account for it. That said, the Republican machine have figured out a weird way to make "liberal" a dirty word, and they've stamped it in big red letters across Hillary's forehead. Even if all that had to happen was for women to vote for her, that's still not going to happen. I was stunned to talk to women, WOMEN, who don't believe there should be a woman president, who don't believe a woman has the right temperament for it. I'll grant you, this could have been bound up in their religious beliefs.

Mike Prelee said...

I think HIllary is unelectable simply because of Clinton/ Bush fatigue. I first voted in a presidential election in 1988, right after graduation. Since then it has been Bush or Clinton in every campaign. I say enough.

Even if he is a bit naive, Obama's message of unity and hope is optimistic and optimism is something that is sorely missing in America today.